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When Rob Tyner wrote about "the dance from which all dances come" in the song "Come Together," he was singing of the act of lovemaking. But lovemaking brings forth life, and life itself can be a dance, a similar process of sliding apart and coming together.

Over the past damn near 40 years, the MC5 have been in the process of sliding apart and coming together, both among themselves and with their fans. And now, with the completed documentary MC5: A True Testimonial playing the film festival circuit, the band is moving toward the front of the collective consciousness again.

"It's a good slice right down the middle. It's a homerun," said guitarist Wayne Kramer in a telephone interview from his current hometown of Los Angeles. "You can't tell everything and every single anecdote and every dramatic event. There are other components in the story that didn't get told. But for all practical purposes, this is the story."

At the pre-party before the film’s premiere at the Chicago Underground Film Festival, MC5 drummer Dennis "Machine Gun" Thompson praised the film for its accuracy.

"All the elements are there. These guys did justice to the film, inasmuch as it's about as accurate as you're going to get, how the story plays out from the beginning to the very end," he said, adding that the MC5 story is hard to tell.

"I have a hard time telling it from beginning to end. I forget a lot of parts!" he added, and laughed. "This is the story of the MC5. This is how it all came together, and how it happened—the glory of it all, the sadness of it all, the tragedy. I love it. It's a great story."

Bassist Michael Davis said the film touches on universal themes.

"I couldn't fathom how it was going to play out as a story on the screen. To understand how it would play out as a story in two hours I just didn't know," said Davis. "But it told a story that is universal, in a way, about young people and how they think, and their ambition and ideals and having an opportunity to go for it."

Those three, along with the late singer Tyner and guitarist Fred "Sonic" Smith, were responsible for the MC5’s "total assault on the culture." That powerful combination of high-energy music, radical politics, righteous weed and sex appeal proved influential. But in many ways, the band has remained a footnote in music history.


The Five is one of the most name-checked bands of all time, endlessly referenced by the hip and wannabe hip. The band even got a shout-out on the WB teen drama Gilmore Girls. But while MC5 worship is all but required in some sectors, it’s still a small crowd. During the band’s run from the mid-60s until it imploded in needles and apathy, it invented an aesthetic that has become manifest in punk rock, heavy metal and today’s garage rock revival. But the band’s massive influence hasn’t translated into mass acknowledgement.

A True Testimonial was the vision of director David Thomas and producer Laurel Legler. The pair framed the story as one of the last great untold stories of the ‘60s and set out to fit the pieces together. Thus began a search for footage and information and willing participants. That search was largely successful, as most of the surviving people from the band’s inner circle participated.

"Five or six or seven years ago (when production on the movie began), I still wanted to be recognized. I didn't want my whole past career to go down the tubes as a footnote," Davis said by phone from his home in Tucson.

Kramer said he wholeheartedly supported the production, and his storytelling provided much of the movie’s propulsion. Plus, having him on board opened some doors for the filmmakers.

"I made many of those interviews happen," he said, noting that ex-manager John Sinclair and Back in the USA producer Jon Landau, in particular, wouldn’t have participated without his encouragement.

Thompson said he wasn't worried about the filmmakers, but he was worried about what he would say.

"It caused me some sleepless nights. I didn’t quite know what delivery system I was going to use," he said. "Would I shit on the MC5 a little bit? Would I say things I shouldn't say? When it came out, I said exactly what I should have said. I wasn't worried about these guys for a minute, because they became my friends."

Singer Rob Tyner's widow Becky also said that the filmmakers were successful in part because they became close to their subjects.

"When I originally met them they talked about the project a bit and [I] moved into a place of trust and friendship with them, and it's really grown over the years and they've really become important people in my life. They're incredible," Tyner said.

The question, Kramer asked, is why should people care?

"You have to answer that question: Why should anyone care?'" Kramer said. "As someone who's near the center of this, I know it's just a small, small percentage of the population [who care]. This is not a big band. This was not a popular hit band that had gold records and millions and millions of fans across the world. This is an insider thing,

"In the end, I think what the filmmakers did that was so good is they presented this as a human story," Kramer said. "It's all messy. It's a messy group of people."


The film is successful because shows the real story behind the MC5. The band was cocky, but they weren't just cock rockers. Beneath the flash, there was serious business.

"The band is a legend and quickly becoming a myth," said Thompson. "There weren't many bands in history that addressed the social contract like we did. We addressed the political situation; we addressed the changing of the guard as far as morality went in this country, as far as censorship, as far as human rights, drugs, Vietnam, war. We got embroiled in all of this. There wasn't one band that you can tell that addressed all of this, not another band in history. Ted Nugent didn't. The Beatles didn't."

Davis said one of his favorite moments in A True Testimonial comes near the beginning, when Kramer is telling a story about the inception of the band, when a conversation between Kramer, Tyner and Smith turned to blows, and afterwards turned to deep conversation.

"That stands out to me, because that kind of molded the whole element of truth in the band. It was so confrontational," he said.

Kramer said that element of truth was important to have in the movie.

"If the MC5 stood for anything, it stood for a sense of reality, the commitment to honesty," Kramer said.

That’s why it was important for the filmmakers to show the individuals involved as the flawed humans they are.

"They told the complete, total story and I think that each individual in that movie came across. They really captured the essence of who that individual was," said Tyner said.


The highlight of A True Testimonial is the rare live footage of the band. Watch VH1 Classic, and you’ll never see an MC5 video. Even hardcore fans have to make do with poor quality bootlegs. The difference between that footage and seeing the high-quality fare on the big screen is revelatory.

"It was just so engrossing to watch the band play. You really got the sense of what was going on between the band and the audience," said Davis.

There are so many jewels of rare footage in the movie—it's virtually entirely unseen by most lay folks, and even band members hadn't seen some of it.

"They had Super-8 stuff of us I'd never seen before, a lot of good stills I hadn't seen before. And the interviews with people—they didn't allow any of us to see anything before it was in its final cut. So we didn't have a clue, none of us had a clue what was going on," Thompson said.

Much of the look of the film came courtesy of the visual sensibilities of Leni Sinclair, whose photographs and films played an integral part of A True Testimonial. But she said even she was surprised by some of the material the filmmakers found from other sources.

"All my footage was shot without sound, so they had to put that footage together with the music, and I know it's a very, very tedious process. It takes a long time, and, wow, they sure did a good job with it," Sinclair said.

The result: If there are any doubters out there who think the MC5 was just hype, A True Testimonial will lay those doubts to rest.

One of the things that comes out in the movie is the respect the band members had for each other musically, Davis said.

"I played my parts to impress Wayne, to show him that I was getting better; to impress Fred that I had an ounce of talent; or to impress Rob to show him that I was OK," Davis said. "The bottom line was we were taking the music where we wanted to go: somewhere new, somewhere that wasn't expected. I think we were always learning and trying to impress each other."

While the filmmakers interviewed many people on the periphery of the MC5/White Panther scene and many musicians who have been influenced by them, most of that material stayed in the can. Instead, the story is told by the people directly involved, and through music and performance clips.

"That was my apprehension, that the movie would consist of a whole bunch of talking heads talking about how great the MC5 used to be, but my fears were unfounded. They let the music speak for itself," Sinclair said. "I'm glad the testimonial was the real thing"

"It's almost like a gift to those people who were too young to be there and who will never have the chance to see them but who buy up every bootleg CD that comes out," Sinclair said. "There are more and more people who are getting into the MC5. Finally they can see how the band moved."


And it turns out, how the band moved was an important—and often overlooked—part of the story. Thompson said that the flashy choreography and costumes were a big part of the band's attack.

"That's originally what our intention was, to be one of the greatest rock and roll bands that ever was. That's all we wanted to do," Thompson said. "Once the political thing happened and it was made national through the media, we got tagged the John Sinclair band, the band of the revolution. You can't deny that, we couldn't say 'No' to the press. 'We are not this,' because it creates more confusion. So the band sort of got caught up in that and it became our stigma, if you will, and got us in a lot of trouble, too."

But the band's showmanship came through in A True Testimonial.

"Did you watch Rob Tyner's feet? It was like he was floating in the air sometimes," Sinclair said.

Still photos and CDs don't fully capture the MC5's sex appeal. They were all handsome fellows who moved well, dressed well and had good hair.

"Wayne looked very sexy and he's got the sexy moves and everything, but the guy that really attracted most of the girls was Fred (Smith)—the quiet one," Sinclair said.

One woman who knows about the sex appeal of the MC5 was Cynthia Plaster Caster—the sculptress and rock legend of nearly the same magnitude of the MC5. She had much praise for the film and the filmmakers.

"I thought it was very provocative," she said at a premiere after-party. "It's just one of the best documentaries I've ever seen—right up there with mine."

For Cynthia, seeing the band's Trans-Love Energies house in Ann Arbor again was a source of nostalgia.

"I haven't seen that house in over 30 years, much less in the daylight. I only saw it at night. I went down there for the evening to cast them in the basement, I believe, and then I had to leave in the early morning to catch a plane back to Chicago for my straight job as a key-punch operator," she said.


So what now? Two members are gone, the three survivors all had heroin problems. Death and addiction and estrangement and prison have followed the band and its associates. Is this feeling of loss the cost of companionship? Of friendship? Brotherhood? Must the heartbreak be this close?

While the tragedies aren’t glossed over, A True Testimonial comes off as a celebration.

For some, watching A True Testimonial was a time-machine trip back to the joyful days of youth.

"It was a wonderful experience when it was happening in those days. You do get the feeling of what it was it was like to be in the audience and be in total abandon. I don't get like that anymore. It was fun to bring back those feelings," Sinclair said.

For others, the filmmaker's careful attention brought some sort of an ending to the story.

"They became so immersed in that story that they really are a part of the story, I really believe that David and Laurel completed that broken circle by putting that movie together. They finished that story, didn't they?" Tyner said.

It's tempting to play the "what if" game when it comes to the MC5. What if John Sinclair hadn't been sent to prison? What if they hadn't taken on the man full force? What if some band members had stayed away from heroin?

But Thompson dismisses that notion. There is no 'what if' with the MC5, he said. The band was destined to disintegrate. It was part of the ride. If it didn't happen, it would have been a different band.

Kramer is matter-of-fact about the film.

"It was a time in my life that was a long time ago, but it's not the definition of my life. I don't live in my yesterdays. I have to live in today and the day that I'm in," Kramer said. "In fact, the MC5 is not my life. It was my life when I was a young man, and it was a very important period in my life in a developmental sense, and it's part of who I am today.

"The film is not my life. The things I do out in the world are not my life. My work is not my life. Playing guitar is not my life," Kramer said. "None of those things worry me."

The release of A True Testimonial stands to increase the MC5’s profile in the mainstream—an outcome that would please Davis.

"It's great to be mysterious. Not everyone knows about this thing. But on the other hand, to me, I think it's a lot more satisfying for the general world to become acquainted with what the MC5 was and did," Davis said.

"I’m not finished in the music business. It's what I chose to do way back then. Performing is still what I do. It helps my presence as a performer to get recognized. I’m hoping the thing goes through the ceiling," Davis said.

And there’s definitely a demand for such a thing.

"The MC5 is bigger than ever right now," Davis said. "On an international, worldwide, global basis, more people know about the MC5 than ever before."

"I feel really happy, really satisfied. Of course, I spent decades being dejected by the demise of the band. But now at this point, the chickens are coming home to roost. You just have to be patient. The truth always remains the truth," Davis said.

And ultimately, perhaps it doesn't matter. Becky Tyner tells a story about young new band of local Detroiters, The Kingsnakes. They played at the high school graduation party of her and Rob's youngest daughter Elizabeth. When they launched into a cover of the Five's "Sister Anne," the cops pulled up and told them to turn the music down. They said they would, but continued on anyway, which prompted a return visit from the cops.

So once again, a group of Motor City youths seeks redemption in loud electric guitars as they question authority and search for their place in the world. There and elsewhere, people continue sliding apart and coming together in the darkness.

Brian J. Bowe
October 2002
Photo by Leni Sinclair
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